Christianity

[Robbyy]

Respectable, but unlike people who just choose to believe in the kind of shit that I believe in, I actually have reasons. The majority of people who take the same belief that I do (Fuck the church, believe in the god kind of thing) do it to look cool and shit. I actually have reasons and whatnot that make me not want to be part of the church at all. Which is probably why I don't even attend mass when I'm supposed to as a catholic. Unfortunately a lot of my reasons are incredibly private even for a somewhat anonymous internet forum, and I don't feel comfortable sharing them. Some things that I will share include how the church is basically selling itself out, and how a lot of the shit they say doesn't make sense whatsoever.

I don't give a shit about what people believe in tbh, quite frankly it doesn't bother me. What does bother me, however, is how someone believes in one thing and then tries to tell me why my belief is wrong and why their belief is supoerior. Which is why I won't hesitate when I slam the door on that Jehovah Witness' face when they come knocking on my door, or when I scream in the phone "ALIENS DID NOT MAKE THE PLANET YOU FUCKING IDIOT" when the center for Scientology calls my house, and just random shit like that. What I don't understand is why people can't just let people live their lives, choosing to believe in what they want to believe. Who gives a shit about how "impossible" or "scientifically proven" it is, in the end we're all just big bags of meat and organs. You believe that when we die we're just gone with no hope for any future whatsoever? That's fine, I don't care, just as long as you don't care about me believing for a better life outside of this one.

I agree with your point about the belief of God but the church being nothing basically. I mean seriously, I was brought up on Catholic faith. I went to a Catholic school grades K-7, and I never really thought about/realized that God himself is greater than church. And I too, steal, have my own reasons for believing in God and not wanting to be a part of church. Basically, the way I see it, if you believe in God, and don't deny your faith, then you're good to go. You don't need to sit in a building for an hour to express your love and worship to God.

And yes steal, this also bothers me. This shit happens in my school all the time when we talk about religions in World History and any other time religion is involved. People need to face the facts that everyone is different and not everyone has been taught to follow the same thing. I'll admit right now, I have no problem with any other religion at all. You can be a fucking satanist, as long as you don't try to impose your ideals on me then I'm good. It makes me angry when you see these people saying how Atheism or Islam or any other religion for that matter (not saying anyone on this thread has.) tries to explain in some way that their religion is better. While growing up, my parents taught me it wasn't right to call out someone for their religion. Everyone has their own thoughts and ideas and we're all entitled to that as human beings with working brains.

Catholicism and Christianity are just 2 more beliefs in this large planet we call Earth. Just the same as Atheists have their views, just as Agnostics (which I was claiming for a time.) do aswell.

On a lighter note, I like these discussions, they make me get all philosophical and shit;33

-Rob.

[Zany]

Hmm sounds weird that someone believes in god to be cool lol. almost the opposite here.. atleast in some groups..

and yeah i hate jehovas and those other weird people aswell lol. and yeah i respect what people believe, and a better life after death is a beautiful thought. i just think its wrong to call it some religion when you really have your own personal & unique beliefs that is not equal to being a follower of the bible.

and i personally do not know what to believe happens to us after death. but id like to think that our souls are reborn into a new person, or something similar.

[Bows 0n Fire]

id like to think that our souls are reborn into a new person, or something similar.

You, my friend, need to read up on Hinduism :nice:

I've studied Eastern religions from a non-religious point of view for several years now, so I think it's safe to say I'm an authority of some sort on the subject.  Notice how atheists don't talk shit on Buddhism or Hinduism, but simply hit the Abrahamic religions (Christianity, Judaism, and Islam)?  There's a reason for that.

Most atheists are unaware of the overlying principles of Hinduism and Buddhism, because unlike most other religions, their followers don't enjoy starting shitstorms on a global scale like the Crusades.  After reading about these two religions for a long time, I've come to see they make a lot of sense in an odd sort of way.  They recognize all religions, and respect the views of atheists/agnostics as well, something I admire.  In Eastern philosophy, all religions are really different paths to the same end, but some are more direct than others.

An overview would take weeks to type up, so I'll leave my PM box open for questions/concerns/comments and advise any atheists/agnostics like Zany who like the idea of reincarnation because it makes more sense than Heaven or Hell (wouldn't those get crowded after a while?) to read up on Hinduism and Buddhism.  You may like what you find, I know I did.

[P4|Pink]

I am not even going to start up on this subject.

All I am going to say is, why should you care what people do?

[0--o0---o-o0]

I believe in the Christian God, but I do not follow any set Christian Faith. Because if you look through history, the Church and the leaders of the Christians did become corrupt.

Around the 1500s it was possible for someone to pay the Pope in advance for any sins that the person may later commit. What this meant was, On Monday I could go to the Pope, buy an Indulgence, and on Wednesday steal from a market, but it would be okay because on Monday I paid for it to be forgiven.

I can't remember the person's name, but he once took over much of Europe, and he used Christianity to unify the people so that he would have a unified country to rule. The people of the time did not actually believe in Christianity, they only said they did because it was what the King said should be done and what the King had done himself.

Church is a prime example of corruption in the Christian Faith. I believe that if God wanted every man, woman, and child to attend Church, there should be no "collection" of money from the people.

Now, as for whether or not there is a God or not, no one can know for sure. You may say that an argument is invalid because there's no proof behind it. But where is the proof in yours? You have to take certain things on faith, which is why religion is commonly called 'faith'. I don't believe that you should doubt someone's beliefs, because there is no way to know if you're right or wrong. The Greeks thought that the sun was pulled across the sky by a chariot. Now, it's a pretty safe bet that this isn't true, but you cannot definitively prove that it is not. Galileo was laughed at when he said the Sun was the center of the galaxy, not the Earth. But it's pretty safe to say that he was right. We'll just have to wait until we're dead to find out ;)

[Zany]

id like to think that our souls are reborn into a new person, or something similar.

You, my friend, need to read up on Hinduism :nice:

I've studied Eastern religions from a non-religious point of view for several years now, so I think it's safe to say I'm an authority of some sort on the subject.  Notice how atheists don't talk shit on Buddhism or Hinduism, but simply hit the Abrahamic religions (Christianity, Judaism, and Islam)?  There's a reason for that.

Most atheists are unaware of the overlying principles of Hinduism and Buddhism, because unlike most other religions, their followers don't enjoy starting shitstorms on a global scale like the Crusades.  After reading about these two religions for a long time, I've come to see they make a lot of sense in an odd sort of way.  They recognize all religions, and respect the views of atheists/agnostics as well, something I admire.  In Eastern philosophy, all religions are really different paths to the same end, but some are more direct than others.

An overview would take weeks to type up, so I'll leave my PM box open for questions/concerns/comments and advise any atheists/agnostics like Zany who like the idea of reincarnation because it makes more sense than Heaven or Hell (wouldn't those get crowded after a while?) to read up on Hinduism and Buddhism.  You may like what you find, I know I did.

Yes ive heard/read quite alot about budhism. and i find it very intresting and makes me feel enlightened after reading about it. dont know much about hinduism though.

I am not even going to start up on this subject.

All I am going to say is, why should you care what people do?

im not sure i understood this question correctly... because it an extremely stupid question to me. obviously you would care for what people do, so you can have a nice life in a nice world/society with nice people.

if someone kills, steals, lies, etc. that automaticly forces me to care.

The Greeks thought that the sun was pulled across the sky by a chariot. Now, it's a pretty safe bet that this isn't true, but you cannot definitively prove that it is not.

im pretty sure you can.

[Craig]

Religon is an excuse to group and control people.

[watch me tb]

i was born into the catholic faith. personally i am agnostic, because there are so many religions out there and everyone that is a part of them thinks theirs is the right one just as much as the next guy. im sure there is a God, im definately not athiest, but i think being one religion instead of another is closed minded.

if there was no religions, there would be, and would have been a lot less fighting. wars, etc..

[Malak]

Now, as for whether or not there is a God or not, no one can know for sure. You may say that an argument is invalid because there's no proof behind it. But where is the proof in yours? You have to take certain things on faith, which is why religion is commonly called 'faith'. I don't believe that you should doubt someone's beliefs, because there is no way to know if you're right or wrong. The Greeks thought that the sun was pulled across the sky by a chariot. Now, it's a pretty safe bet that this isn't true, but you cannot definitively prove that it is not. Galileo was laughed at when he said the Sun was the center of the galaxy, not the Earth. But it's pretty safe to say that he was right. We'll just have to wait until we're dead to find out ;)

The Sun isn't the center of the galaxy. ;)

[ya im chase]

I think all religions were made up by smart people to fool the stupid people to gain political & military power.

^exactly...Look at scientology or whatever..Idk what it is, but apparently it is a "religion".

anyways I don't care if people beleive in religion but I never will.

[Adolesc3nt]

I think all religions were made up by smart people to fool the stupid people to gain political & military power.

^exactly...Look at scientology or whatever..Idk what it is, but apparently it is a "religion".

anyways I don't care if people beleive in religion but I never will.

lol have you seen the south park episode on scientology

[d72]

Now, as for whether or not there is a God or not, no one can know for sure. You may say that an argument is invalid because there's no proof behind it. But where is the proof in yours? You have to take certain things on faith, which is why religion is commonly called 'faith'. I don't believe that you should doubt someone's beliefs, because there is no way to know if you're right or wrong. The Greeks thought that the sun was pulled across the sky by a chariot. Now, it's a pretty safe bet that this isn't true, but you cannot definitively prove that it is not. Galileo was laughed at when he said the Sun was the center of the galaxy, not the Earth. But it's pretty safe to say that he was right. We'll just have to wait until we're dead to find out ;)

The Sun isn't the center of the galaxy. ;)

Uhh yeah, the planets of the Milky Way galaxy revolve around the sun. ;)

[Jeff]

Now, as for whether or not there is a God or not, no one can know for sure. You may say that an argument is invalid because there's no proof behind it. But where is the proof in yours? You have to take certain things on faith, which is why religion is commonly called 'faith'. I don't believe that you should doubt someone's beliefs, because there is no way to know if you're right or wrong. The Greeks thought that the sun was pulled across the sky by a chariot. Now, it's a pretty safe bet that this isn't true, but you cannot definitively prove that it is not. Galileo was laughed at when he said the Sun was the center of the galaxy, not the Earth. But it's pretty safe to say that he was right. We'll just have to wait until we're dead to find out ;)

The Sun isn't the center of the galaxy. ;)

Oh yes it is Raijin.

[SkidooosH]

Now, as for whether or not there is a God or not, no one can know for sure. You may say that an argument is invalid because there's no proof behind it. But where is the proof in yours? You have to take certain things on faith, which is why religion is commonly called 'faith'. I don't believe that you should doubt someone's beliefs, because there is no way to know if you're right or wrong. The Greeks thought that the sun was pulled across the sky by a chariot. Now, it's a pretty safe bet that this isn't true, but you cannot definitively prove that it is not. Galileo was laughed at when he said the Sun was the center of the galaxy, not the Earth. But it's pretty safe to say that he was right. We'll just have to wait until we're dead to find out ;)

The Sun isn't the center of the galaxy. ;)

Uhh yeah, the planets of the Milky Way galaxy revolve around the sun. ;)

i think you mean the planets in our solar system revolve around the sun.

i've been raised christian since i was born. i can't say that i'm a devote believer, i'm still on the fence myself. from all i've seen happen and all the stories i've heard (yes i said stories, do not mock) about religion, there is no way i can't believe it. i don't believe in Christianity as a means of "obtaining heaven" or anything. as hokey as you may think it sounds i believe jesus is my close friend, even though i don't really exemplify it in my day to day life. you may argue that it's just "a voice in your head" but i'd like to think not.

to those advocating against christianity, how much do you know about it?

[d72]

Now, as for whether or not there is a God or not, no one can know for sure. You may say that an argument is invalid because there's no proof behind it. But where is the proof in yours? You have to take certain things on faith, which is why religion is commonly called 'faith'. I don't believe that you should doubt someone's beliefs, because there is no way to know if you're right or wrong. The Greeks thought that the sun was pulled across the sky by a chariot. Now, it's a pretty safe bet that this isn't true, but you cannot definitively prove that it is not. Galileo was laughed at when he said the Sun was the center of the galaxy, not the Earth. But it's pretty safe to say that he was right. We'll just have to wait until we're dead to find out ;)

The Sun isn't the center of the galaxy. ;)

Uhh yeah, the planets of the Milky Way galaxy revolve around the sun. ;)

i think you mean the planets in our solar system revolve around the sun.

i've been raised christian since i was born. i can't say that i'm a devote believer, i'm still on the fence myself. from all i've seen happen and all the stories i've heard (yes i said stories, do not mock) about religion, there is no way i can't believe it. i don't believe in Christianity as a means of "obtaining heaven" or anything. as hokey as you may think it sounds i believe jesus is my close friend, even though i don't really exemplify it in my day to day life. you may argue that it's just "a voice in your head" but i'd like to think not.

to those advocating against christianity, how much do you know about it?

thanks fir correcting me lol :p

[lntoxicating]

If you all don't shut the fuck up I'm going to fire a horde of angry ticks out of my nipples to consume you.

I guess I won the thread.

[II Alek II]

i simply just dont believe in religion

[Adam|Note]

Anyone who believes that a pair of polar bears walked side by side onto an Ark is a fool.

[MasterRoy]

I believe in christianity, but i do not believe in churches that shit is corrupted and shit they make money out of god and thats the devils work. and if you realy think god is a made up story then the earth must be made up and the universe and the people

[Lat]

I believe in christianity, but i do not believe in churches that shit is corrupted and shit they make money out of god and thats the devils work. and if you realy think god is a made up story then the earth must be made up and the universe and the people

I dont know, but i heard somewhere that there's proof out there that earth, the universe, and these so called "people" do exist. as for god himself, there i absolutely zero proof he exists.

[watch me tb]

The big bang proves god didnt make the world in 10 days or whatever?

Air travel proves theres no heaven up there? :P

Im pretty sure the hadron collidor experiment proves that particles created the universe rather than god?

heaven isnt supposed to be a physical place that you can really get to physically... so obviously your not going to find anything.

people say that there is no evidence or w.e. people say why believe in something that has makes no logical sense. well it might not make sense to us right now, because we havent learned enough yet. back in the 16,17,1800's a lot of the stuff that makes sense to us now, and is common knowledge, would have thought to be nonsense.

i am agnostic, i believe in God, i just think it is redundant to have a specific faith or religion. people in their religions believe 100% that theirs is correct and that is what is. i dont see how someone could choose one. im not saying its stupid to have a religion, and it cant actually hurt anything being a part of one.

[Marc|Criti]

There is no god but Allah. BOOM!  I has bombed the thread

[King2]

I believe in christianity, but i do not believe in churches that shit is corrupted and shit they make money out of god and thats the devils work. and if you realy think god is a made up story then the earth must be made up and the universe and the people

It's called the Big Bang you retard, and it's actually proven that it's happened. The Bible is a lie, it was made up along time ago by people who wanted power. And that's why you have the Pope

[King2]

The big bang proves god didnt make the world in 10 days or whatever?

Air travel proves theres no heaven up there? :P

Im pretty sure the hadron collidor experiment proves that particles created the universe rather than god?

heaven isnt supposed to be a physical place that you can really get to physically... so obviously your not going to find anything.

people say that there is no evidence or w.e. people say why believe in something that has makes no logical sense. well it might not make sense to us right now, because we havent learned enough yet. back in the 16,17,1800's a lot of the stuff that makes sense to us now, and is common knowledge, would have thought to be nonsense.

i am agnostic, i believe in God, i just think it is redundant to have a specific faith or religion. people in their religions believe 100% that theirs is correct and that is what is. i dont see how someone could choose one. im not saying its stupid to have a religion, and it cant actually hurt anything being a part of one.

99% of all the wars in the world have been because of religion.

[watch me tb]

99% of all the wars in the world have been because of religion.

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