The Venus Project

[MikeQ]

The Venus Project was founded by Jacque Fresco. It is an attempt to redesign society in order to benefit every person. You can learn more at this here: http://thevenusproject.com/

The movie Future by Design was produced as a tribute to Fresco's body of work. I recommend this movie to everybody, it will change your perspective on life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWm1zE7S9KE

If you want to get involved, the Zeitgeist Movement is dedicated to bringing about this change. There are two Zeitgeist movies which are also very good. You can become a part by joining the forums.

http://zeitgeistmovie.com/

http://thezeitgeistmovement.com/

[MikeQ]

Now I remember why I stopped posting serious topics on rs forums, nobody gives a shit  (n)

[Eye.]

Tbh, Off topic isn't really viewd by many and if they are here, they are looking for laughs tbh

[I C0NN0R I]

Tbh, Off topic isn't really viewd by many and if they are here, they are looking for laughs tbh

You just said "tbh" twice in one sentence, kill yourself.

Care to explain the Venus project a bit more? i went to the website, from what i can see they basically plan to build a new human society from scratch? Is that seriously a realistic goal? I don't think it's something that's achievable right now, it'd take the work of pretty much every country in the world to achieve.

it just looks like they're trying to make "space-aged" houses...

[MikeQ]

It's not only realistic but necessary. Unrealistic is expecting current society to sustain itself. We currently have a linear consumption cycle on a finite planet.

The point of TVP is that we now have the resources and technology to provide everyone with the necessities and most desires. There is no longer a need to compete with each other. The only thing holding is back is money. Think of it this way; do we have enough water and food for every person? Yes. Do we have enough materials to build every family a home (concrete, brick, wood, etc.)? Yes. The profit system was established because of scarcity, and we no longer exist in scarcity. There are enough forms of renewable energy to power everything we do, and it is so abundant there is no need to profit from it (geothermal, wind, solar, tidal, to name a few).

I know most people's initial reaction is "This is communism!!", but that couldn't be farther from the truth. I'd be glad to answer any questions.

[I C0NN0R I]

thanks for clarifying, sounds like a worthy cause, even something i'd be interested in looking into as a potential career.

You know one Australian scientist more then doubled the efficiency of the solar panel, Australia is like 95% un-used space, if we covered the entire place with solar panels we'd generate enough energy from solar alone to completely replace our current forms of electricity.

Sadly the government is too fucking idiotic to initiate such a task.

[MikeQ]

Yeah enough sunlight hits the earth every minute to provide a year's worth of power. Obviously we can't cover every square inch with solar panels, but it gives you an idea how outdated fossil fuels are. However, solar power is nothing compared to geothermal. If we were able to tap the thermal (heat) power of just one volcano, we could power the globe. That said, there are 520 inactive volcanoes which could be tapped. If we efficiently captured the power of the four ways I mentioned, energy would be so abundant there would be no way to profit. This is why most countries' infrastrucutes are designed to run on something that is scarce; oil. This ensures large profits.

Glad to see at least one person interested  ;)

[Jim]

It's not only realistic but necessary. Unrealistic is expecting current society to sustain itself. We currently have a linear consumption cycle on a finite planet.

The point of TVP is that we now have the resources and technology to provide everyone with the necessities and most desires. There is no longer a need to compete with each other. The only thing holding is back is money. Think of it this way; do we have enough water and food for every person? Yes. Do we have enough materials to build every family a home (concrete, brick, wood, etc.)? Yes. The profit system was established because of scarcity, and we no longer exist in scarcity. There are enough forms of renewable energy to power everything we do, and it is so abundant there is no need to profit from it (geothermal, wind, solar, tidal, to name a few).

I know most people's initial reaction is "This is communism!!", but that couldn't be farther from the truth. I'd be glad to answer any questions.

I don't like the idea of everyone having the same amount. It's human nature to progress, staying at a balance with everyone else ruins that. Not to mention I enjoy societies that have upper/lower class people, there is a larger range of personalities.

Bare in mind I didn't even as much as click the link, so what I said could be stupid as fuck.

[MikeQ]

I wouldn't say stupid as fuck, I would say uninformed. It's not natural for humans to desire material wealth in return for a contribution, for money isn't natural. The fact is we have the resources to eliminate financial worries. If this were to happen, the human race could be truly free. We would see technology and general awareness increase exponentially. It's understandable to think the way you do, I assume you were brought up in a capitalist society. Hard work is idealized, and the belief that a "free market" is the greatest thing ever. We are told that competition is a good thing, when that is a ludicrous idea when you truly analyze it. Money doesn't create incentive, humans naturally desire knowledge and contribution to society.

[Jim]

I wouldn't say stupid as fuck, I would say uninformed. It's not natural for humans to desire material wealth in return for a contribution, for money isn't natural. The fact is we have the resources to eliminate financial worries. If this were to happen, the human race could be truly free. We would see technology and general awareness increase exponentially. It's understandable to think the way you do, I assume you were brought up in a capitalist society. Hard work is idealized, and the belief that a "free market" is the greatest thing ever. We are told that competition is a good thing, when that is a ludicrous idea when you truly analyze it. Money doesn't create incentive, humans naturally desire knowledge and contribution to society.

I was actually brought up in a lower class society, on a council estate, single parent family, ect. Hard work is something I was introduced to very early in my life.

I don't want technology to evolve at a faster rate, anyway. If you eliminate the economic crisis and the shortage of supplies I'd love the world in the state it's in at the moment, even with the war, ect. I fear that humans will find cures for cancers, HIV, and other killers.

[MikeQ]

When applied correctly technology does nothing but enhance life. Even if you are in the lower class of a developed society, it is nothing compared to the third world. These people have to dig through trash for food. Thousands to millions of people die in wars, you can't be okay with that. And the econmic crisis is a result of the way we live, it can't be eliminated. Our society is not sustainable. Finding a cure for cancer or HIV would also save millions of lives, I don't see how you can fear this. Hard work is not a bad thing, but it is not productive to do most of the things we do. If technology was released from the grip of money, machines could do the dirty work, much of which they already do. This would allow humans to put their work into productive things.

I'm asking you to take a step back and view the world from a distant perspective. We are all a result of our environment, so that's not an easy thing to do.

[Jim]

When applied correctly technology does nothing but enhance life. Even if you are in the lower class of a developed society, it is nothing compared to the third world. These people have to dig through trash for food. Thousands to millions of people die in wars, you can't be okay with that. And the econmic crisis is a result of the way we live, it can't be eliminated. Our society is not sustainable. Finding a cure for cancer or HIV would also save millions of lives, I don't see how you can fear this. Hard work is not a bad thing, but it is not productive to do most of the things we do. If technology was released from the grip of money, machines could do the dirty work, much of which they already do. This would allow humans to put their work into productive things.

I'm asking you to take a step back and view the world from a distant perspective. We are all a result of our environment, so that's not an easy thing to do.

It may sound selfish, but I tend to only care for things that effect me, so the third world or wars doesn't really bother me. I consider life too short to consider large numbers of people you will never meet. Infact, if I won the lottery I wouldn't even donate a penny to a human-based charity.

Perhaps 'Fear' wasn't the most ideal of words, what I ment is that soon as they find a cure for cancers and other diseases they will move on to killers, until there is a massive increase in population.

I'd like to point out that I respect and support almost all of your posts/threads on these forums, even those that are theories. And I didn't make these posts to argue with this project, I'm just stating that I'm pretty much fine with the world as it is, even if that makes me selfish.

[MikeQ]

That seems to be the mindset of most people. You must realize that without the care of others, you wouldn't be here. As humans we require a community effort. We can't live as isolated beings. Both of us could easily have been born in a third world, it's only by luck that we are in a livable environment. Because money is required to utilize resources, and money is finite, hoarding wealth is literally restricting resources from people who need them. As far as population, we are not at the carrying capacity of the earth, although it seems we are getting close. Population control can be accomplished through education, rather than a birth limit like China. If people are aware of what their environment can support, it is a self regulating process.

Like you, I'm not looking to fight with anyone here. I'm just trying to provide some new information/ways of tihnking.

[Eye.]

Tbh, Off topic isn't really viewd by many and if they are here, they are looking for laughs tbh

You just said "tbh" twice in one sentence, kill yourself.

Walked into that one..

[P4|Pink]

I am religious, but there will never be a good society as much as I hate to say it.

Ever since the dawn of time, there has been fighting, greed, envy etc.

I hope there will be a sweet eutopia. But goodluck.

[`Stef]

Perhaps 'Fear' wasn't the most ideal of words, what I ment is that soon as they find a cure for cancers and other diseases they will move on to killers, until there is a massive increase in population.

I Agree with you 100%

Finding a Cure for cancer and other killer diseases will lead to a massive increase of population in this world.

i'm not sure but were are all these people going to go?

It may sound selfish, but I tend to only care for things that effect me, so the third world or wars doesn't really bother me. I consider life too short to consider large numbers of people you will never meet. Infact, if I won the lottery I wouldn't even donate a penny to a human-based charity.

Same here

[MikeQ]

I am religious, but there will never be a good society as much as I hate to say it.

Ever since the dawn of time, there has been fighting, greed, envy etc.

I hope there will be a sweet eutopia. But goodluck.

There is no utopia. Society is emergent, not static. There are always things that can be improved. There is no final destination. Fighting, greed, and envy are a result of scarcity. We now have enough to go around, there is no longer a need to compete with one another.

Perhaps 'Fear' wasn't the most ideal of words, what I ment is that soon as they find a cure for cancers and other diseases they will move on to killers, until there is a massive increase in population.

I Agree with you 100%

Finding a Cure for cancer and other killer diseases will lead to a massive increase of population in this world.

i'm not sure but were are all these people going to go?

That's why people need to be educated. An educated population is aware of what their environment can support, and choose a number of children accordingly. Besides, we have not yet reached the carrying capacity of the earth.

It may sound selfish, but I tend to only care for things that effect me, so the third world or wars doesn't really bother me. I consider life too short to consider large numbers of people you will never meet. Infact, if I won the lottery I wouldn't even donate a penny to a human-based charity.

Same here

I find that hard to believe. Deep down, I'm sure you care in one way or another. You may have been desensitized due to the constant news flashes you see.

You must realize that as humans, we can't live for ourselves. We require the care of others. If nobody cared enough about you to raise you, you wouldn't be alive today.

[Jim]

I find that hard to believe. Deep down, I'm sure you care in one way or another. You may have been desensitized due to the constant news flashes you see.

I honestly don't care. It isn't my duty to donate to Africa, or take time out of what I'm doing to do charity work. The only charities I care about are animal based, but thats due to the way I was brought up. Third world countries have governments. They are there for a reason.

[MikeQ]

I find that hard to believe. Deep down, I'm sure you care in one way or another. You may have been desensitized due to the constant news flashes you see.

I honestly don't care. It isn't my duty to donate to Africa, or take time out of what I'm doing to do charity work. The only charities I care about are animal based, but thats due to the way I was brought up. Third world countries have governments. They are there for a reason.

That's what I'm saying. Our behaviors and beliefs are entirely conditioned. That's why I don't get angry at people for holding opposing viewpoints, I just try to make new information available.

As far as Africa, their governments have no options. They have been exploited by every industrialized nation in the world. They have been put into debt by the IMF (International Monetary Fund), and have no way of paying it back. While donating can provide a few meals or school supplies, it is merely patchwork. Donating does not fix the things that caused them to be in that situation. The goal of The Venus Project is to create a prosperous environment for everyone. Average people like you and I don't have time to care, because we are too busy working our asses off to support ourselves.

[Jim]

I find that hard to believe. Deep down, I'm sure you care in one way or another. You may have been desensitized due to the constant news flashes you see.

I honestly don't care. It isn't my duty to donate to Africa, or take time out of what I'm doing to do charity work. The only charities I care about are animal based, but thats due to the way I was brought up. Third world countries have governments. They are there for a reason.

That's what I'm saying. Our behaviors and beliefs are entirely conditioned. That's why I don't get angry at people for holding opposing viewpoints, I just try to make new information available.

As far as Africa, their governments have no options. They have been exploited by every industrialized nation in the world. They have been put into debt by the IMF (International Monetary Fund), and have no way of paying it back. While donating can provide a few meals or school supplies, it is merely patchwork. Donating does not fix the things that caused them to be in that situation. The goal of The Venus Project is to create a prosperous environment for everyone. Average people like you and I don't have time to care, because we are too busy working our asses off to support ourselves.

Honestly, you're really starting to sell this project to me, but I still haven't clicked the link yet. What do you have to do in order to 'support' this project? I would read it on the site, but I'm leaving my house any minute now.

[MikeQ]

If you're interested you can look at the forums at www.thezeitgeistmovement.com. You can discuss ideas with others and learn a great deal. At this point, the main goal is to spread awareness. That's what I'm trying to do here. Our goal is to get enough people in the movement so that we can't be ignored. At that point, we can start taking action. No donation is required, we just need people.

[Kyle|Lol The PK]

I am religious, but there will never be a good society as much as I hate to say it.

Ever since the dawn of time, there has been fighting, greed, envy etc.

I hope there will be a sweet eutopia. But goodluck.

There is no utopia. Society is emergent, not static. There are always things that can be improved. There is no final destination. Fighting, greed, and envy are a result of scarcity. We now have enough to go around, there is no longer a need to compete with one another.

I believe there is a utopia, it's called Heaven, and you go there when you die if you've accepted Jesus Christ as your savior. You won't be seeing a utopia ever during your existence, or anyone else for that matter, here on Earth.

Overall, I support The Venus Project. There is enough to go around for everyone and there is just too many out there in need. However, the people that own all the money and power to make these things possible are too selfish and are only concerned with their own agendas.

I don't know what I can do about it though.

[MikeQ]

I am religious, but there will never be a good society as much as I hate to say it.

Ever since the dawn of time, there has been fighting, greed, envy etc.

I hope there will be a sweet eutopia. But goodluck.

There is no utopia. Society is emergent, not static. There are always things that can be improved. There is no final destination. Fighting, greed, and envy are a result of scarcity. We now have enough to go around, there is no longer a need to compete with one another.

I believe there is a utopia, it's called Heaven, and you go there when you die if you've accepted Jesus Christ as your savior. You won't be seeing a utopia ever during your existence, or anyone else for that matter, here on Earth.

Overall, I support The Venus Project. There is enough to go around for everyone and there is just too many out there in need. However, the people that own all the money and power to make these things possible are too selfish and are only concerned with their own agendas.

I don't know what I can do about it though.

I would ask you what makes you say heaven is perfect. Don't dismiss this question, really think what would make it perfect. And, is it possible to create those conditions on earth.

We have to remember, the people in power are humans as well. They were simply brought up in an elite environment, and therefore have different value systems. TVP would be beneficial for all humans, including those in power. Their conditioning can be broken, just as ours can.