syria

[cody]

The UK should really be concerned about this. Syria obviously wouldn't attempt an attack at the united states l o l

syria's going down regardless it's helping the government distract americans about the nsa being able to read all our sexts and emails luls.

Edited September 1, 2013 by Ripper

[Low Bridd]

I like how Obama is letting congress decide even though he has the power to have the final say alone. Shows democracy. 

 

I think we should go in and stop it. US is the international police after all.

 

China and Russia won't do anything but try and persuade us to not go in and make us look like bad guys. 

[Ember/Nick]

Obama already said the USA wouldn't send ground troops into Syria, nor would they arm the Syrian rebels ( that didn't work well last time in Iraq/Afghanistan). I think what will happen, if anything, will be air/missle support from American battleships and aircraft on Asad's chemical compounds and strongpoints.

[Nilo]

SHOCKING : Britain sold nerve gas chemicals to Syria 10 months after ‘civil unrest’ began

 

"BRITAIN allowed firms to sell chemicals to Syria capable of being used to make nerve gas, the Sunday Mail can reveal today.

Export licences for potassium fluoride and sodium fluoride were granted months after the bloody civil war in the Middle East began.

The chemical is capable of being used to make weapons such as sarin, thought to be the nerve gas used in the attack on a rebel-held Damascus suburb which killed nearly 1500 people, including 426 children, 10 days ago.

President Bashar Assad’s forces have been blamed for the attack, leading to calls for an armed response from the West.

British MPs voted against joining America in a strike. But last night, President Barack Obama said he will seek the approval of Congress to take military action.

The chemical export licences were granted by Business Secretary Vince Cable’s Department for Business, Innovation and Skills last January – 10 months after the Syrian uprising began.

They were only revoked six months later, when the European Union imposed tough sanctions on Assad’s regime.

Yesterday, politicians and anti-arms trade campaigners urged Prime Minister David Cameron to explain why the licences were granted.

Dunfermline and West Fife Labour MP Thomas Docherty, who sits on the House of Commons’ Committees on Arms Export Controls, plans to lodge Parliamentary questions tomorrow and write to Cable.

He said: “At best it has been negligent and at worst reckless to export material that could have been used to create chemical weapons.

“MPs will be horrified and furious that the UK Government has been allowing the sale of these ingredients to Syria.

“What the hell were they doing granting a licence in the first place?

“I would like to know what investigations have been carried out to establish if any of this
material exported to Syria was subsequently used in the attacks on its own people.”

The SNP’s leader at Westminster, Angus Robertson MP, said: “I will be raising this in Parliament as soon as possible to find out what examination the UK Government made of where these chemicals were going and what they were to be used for.

“Approving the sale of chemicals which can be converted into lethal weapons during a civil war is a very serious issue.

“We need to know who these chemicals were sold to, why they were sold, and whether the UK Government were aware that the chemicals could potentially be used for chemical weapons.

 

Mark Bitel of the Campaign Against Arms Trade (Scotland) said: “The UK Government claims to have an ethical policy on arms exports, but when it comes down to practice the reality is very different.

“The Government is hypocritical to talk about chemical weapons if it’s granting licences to companies to export to regimes such as Syria.

“We saw David Cameron, in the wake of the Arab Spring, rushing off to the Middle East with arms companies to promote business.”

Some details emerged in July of the UK’s sale of the chemicals to Syria but the crucial dates of the exports were withheld.

The Government have refused to identify the licence holders or say whether the licences were issued to one or two companies.

The chemicals are in powder form and highly toxic. The licences specified that they should be used for making aluminium structures such as window frames.

Professor Alastair Hay, an expert in environmental toxicology at Leeds University, said: “They have a variety of industrial uses.

“But when you’re making a nerve agent, you attach a fluoride element and that’s what gives it
its toxic properties.

“Fluoride is key to making these munitions.

“Whether these elements were used by Syria to make nerve agents is something only subsequent investigation will reveal.”

The Department for Business, Innovation and Skills said: “The UK Government operates one of the most rigorous arms export control regimes in the world.

“An export licence would not be granted where we assess there is a clear risk the goods might be used for internal repression, provoke or prolong conflict within a country, be used aggressively against another country or risk our national security.

“When circumstances change or new information comes to light, we can – and do – revoke licences where the proposed export is no longer consistent with the criteria.”

Assad’s regime have denied blame for the nerve gas attack, saying the accusations are “full of lies”. They have pointed the finger at rebels.

UN weapons inspectors investigating the atrocity left Damascus just before dawn yesterday and crossed into Lebanon after gathering evidence for four days.

They are now travelling to the Dutch HQ of the Organisation for the Prevention of Chemical Weapons.

It could take up to two weeks for the results of tests on samples taken from victims of the attack, as well as from water, soil and shrapnel, to be revealed.

On Thursday night, Cameron referred to a Joint Intelligence Committee report on Assad’s use of chemical weapons as he tried in vain to persuade MPs to back military action. The report said the regime had used chemical weapons at least 14 times since last year.

Russian president Vladimir Putin yesterday attacked America’s stance and urged Obama to show evidence to the UN that Assad’s regime was guilty.

Russia and Iran are Syria’s staunchest allies. The Russians have given arms and military backing to Assad during the civil war which has claimed more than 100,000 lives.

Putin said it would be “utter nonsense” for Syria to provoke opponents and spark military
retaliation from the West by using chemical weapons.

But the White House, backed by the French government, remain convinced of Assad’s guilt, and Obama proposes “limited, narrow” military action to punish the regime.

He has the power to order a strike, but last night said he would seek approval from Congress.

Obama called the chemical attack “an assault on human dignity” and said: “We are prepared to strike whenever we choose.”

He added: “Our capacity to execute this mission is not time-sensitive. It will be effective tomorrow, or next week, or one month from now.

“And I’m prepared to give that order.”

Some fear an attack on Syria will spark retaliation against US allies in the region, such
as Jordan, Turkey and Israel.

General Lord Dannatt, the former head of the British Army, described the Commons vote as a “victory for common sense and democracy”.

He added that the “drumbeat for war” had dwindled among the British public in recent days.

“The ongoing humanitarian crisis in Syria makes a full explanation around these shady deals even more important.”

 

lol rip

Edited September 2, 2013 by #Unknown

[Nilo]

I like how Obama is letting congress decide even though he has the power to have the final say alone. Shows democracy. 

 

I think we should go in and stop it. US is the international police after all.

 

China and Russia won't do anything but try and persuade us to not go in and make us look like bad guys. 

 

 

US hates the middle east, what's the point of stopping a war?

[Nilo]

People need to understand there will ALWAYS be war in the middle east like there has for many years, and should leave the battle to face on their own.

[Low Bridd]

 

I like how Obama is letting congress decide even though he has the power to have the final say alone. Shows democracy. 

 

I think we should go in and stop it. US is the international police after all.

 

China and Russia won't do anything but try and persuade us to not go in and make us look like bad guys. 

 

 

US hates the middle east, what's the point of stopping a war?

 

 

We can allow a civil war and possibly aid the side we want to win. We cannot allow the use of chemical weapons on children and civilians. If we let them kill children and innocents that sends a bad message to other countries we don't like such as North Korea, Iran etc. "Hey the US is all talk, they won't really do anything.. We'll just keep apologizing after we do what we'd like"

 

Second of all, the picture you posted and the accusation of Britain selling Chemicals to Syria both look fake, what are you Sources and are they credible?

[Nilo]

 

 

I like how Obama is letting congress decide even though he has the power to have the final say alone. Shows democracy. 

 

I think we should go in and stop it. US is the international police after all.

 

China and Russia won't do anything but try and persuade us to not go in and make us look like bad guys. 

 

 

US hates the middle east, what's the point of stopping a war?

 

 

We can allow a civil war and possibly aid the side we want to win. We cannot allow the use of chemical weapons on children and civilians. If we let them kill children and innocents that sends a bad message to other countries we don't like such as North Korea, Iran etc. "Hey the US is all talk, they won't really do anything.. We'll just keep apologizing after we do what we'd like"

 

Second of all, the picture you posted and the accusation of Britain selling Chemicals to Syria both look fake, what are you Sources and are they credible?

 

 

United States kills innocent children and civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan...does anyone really care? The topic is from topinfopost

http://topinfopost.com/2013/09/02/shocking-britain-sold-nerve-gas-chemicals-to-syria-10-months-after-civil-unrest-began?fb_source=pubv1

[Low Bridd]

Never heard of topicinfopost. I found the article though, http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/revealed-britain-sold-nerve-gas-2242520 - Interesting huh.. Nevertheless Syria still used it on their own people

 

United States kill insurgents. There's a difference.

 

A lot of people do care when innocent children and civilians are killed actually. 

[cody]

plot twist

middle east rules the world 

egypt gonna take ova

 

also im sure you copy and pasted that shit about the uk

but tl;dr it srsly we all have a.d.d here m8

 

Obama is going to do something regardless of congress's decision he already stated that.

Last time i watched the news they said congress was 50/50 on this decision. 

If it's rejected Obamas still doing something about it.

but also you gotta remember this whole situation is meant to distract the public about the NSA situation. 

and it's working. 

[Arrow]

why worry. you already know Team America is going to whoop some ass. Undefeated. Think before you fuck. murrica son

[Low Bridd]

plot twist

middle east rules the world 

egypt gonna take ova

 

also im sure you copy and pasted that shit about the uk

but tl;dr it srsly we all have a.d.d here m8

 

Obama is going to do something regardless of congress's decision he already stated that.

Last time i watched the news they said congress was 50/50 on this decision. 

If it's rejected Obamas still doing something about it.

but also you gotta remember this whole situation is meant to distract the public about the NSA situation. 

and it's working. 

 

Yeah a couple of days ago he said something about him letting go through congress. I just read an article saying that he now says either congress gives him the yes or he'll do it anyways because he has the power to or something along the lines of that.

[Yupzy]

Uk shouldn't go to war with them, our armed forces are limited as it is and as we're just pulling out of Afghanistan it would be stupid.

Although America are our biggest allies and we do usually follow them into war, people are talking about our ties being broken with them if we don't go in with them, which is stupid. They will still be our biggest allies if we go in or not.

Also unlikely that it wasn't Assad who organised the attacks.

[i tauntz i]

 

plot twist

middle east rules the world 

egypt gonna take ova

 

also im sure you copy and pasted that shit about the uk

but tl;dr it srsly we all have a.d.d here m8

 

Obama is going to do something regardless of congress's decision he already stated that.

Last time i watched the news they said congress was 50/50 on this decision. 

If it's rejected Obamas still doing something about it.

but also you gotta remember this whole situation is meant to distract the public about the NSA situation. 

and it's working. 

 

Yeah a couple of days ago he said something about him letting go through congress. I just read an article saying that he now says either congress gives him the yes or he'll do it anyways because he has the power to or something along the lines of that.

 

 

lets be honest usa was always going to get involved in this however i think depending on what congress vote will determine how involved the us get if they say no i think it would be less that if they say yes as they may only aid the rebels or bomb big targets rather than a full out ground assault and hundreds of missiles going at any targets they have

[cody]

 

 

plot twist

middle east rules the world 

egypt gonna take ova

 

also im sure you copy and pasted that shit about the uk

but tl;dr it srsly we all have a.d.d here m8

 

Obama is going to do something regardless of congress's decision he already stated that.

Last time i watched the news they said congress was 50/50 on this decision. 

If it's rejected Obamas still doing something about it.

but also you gotta remember this whole situation is meant to distract the public about the NSA situation. 

and it's working. 

 

Yeah a couple of days ago he said something about him letting go through congress. I just read an article saying that he now says either congress gives him the yes or he'll do it anyways because he has the power to or something along the lines of that.

 

 

lets be honest usa was always going to get involved in this however i think depending on what congress vote will determine how involved the us get if they say no i think it would be less that if they say yes as they may only aid the rebels or bomb big targets rather than a full out ground assault and hundreds of missiles going at any targets they have

 

ima be honest

the only reason why we prob not putting boots on the ground

cuz they got no oil

fucking syria ffs i coulda went down to 3$ a gallon again fuck

[Dizzy]

by us i meant uk or us or any other country tbh

i agree that it would be massively retarded for the uk to enter another war as we just can't afford it for one however using chemical weapons is massively overstepping the line saying that its fine over there is stupid i think that the un should show its evidence before anything happens but if they are found to have used chemical weapons on their own people i agree that something should be done

This doesn't mean anything lol, Israel used white phosphorus in 2008 and not a single fuck was given. Usa should just back off from the middle east because they have no reason to be there

oil nigga

[Danny]

I like how Obama is letting congress decide even though he has the power to have the final say alone. Shows democracy. 

 

I think we should go in and stop it. US is the international police after all.

 

China and Russia won't do anything but try and persuade us to not go in and make us look like bad guys. 

what the fuck did i just read LOLOLOLOL

[Low Bridd]

 

I like how Obama is letting congress decide even though he has the power to have the final say alone. Shows democracy. 

 

I think we should go in and stop it. US is the international police after all.

 

China and Russia won't do anything but try and persuade us to not go in and make us look like bad guys. 

what the fuck did i just read LOLOLOLOL

 

 

I didn't know people laugh at themselves for being illiterate. You learn something new everyday.

[Danny]

 

 

I like how Obama is letting congress decide even though he has the power to have the final say alone. Shows democracy. 

 

I think we should go in and stop it. US is the international police after all.

 

China and Russia won't do anything but try and persuade us to not go in and make us look like bad guys. 

what the fuck did i just read LOLOLOLOL

 

 

I didn't know people laugh at themselves for being illiterate. You learn something new everyday.

 

Ok, well you are obviously under educated on the matter with Syria. There was going to be intervention by the UN and the US which Russia did not want so they vitod and so there was that gone, so the US did indeed try to do something. Another thing you may not have known, Russia started hoarding naval forces in the Mediterranean Sea and so Obama was forced to retreat or decided to retreat as it would not have been worth it to intervene. US is not the international police, they just hold massive leverage over every other country since they are a hegemon also further by the fact they owe so much money no country would want to try and start conflict with the US. International Organisations such as the UN for peacekeeping and security and perhaps the World Bank for economic purposes are perhaps the closest forms of a global governance that we have today. China only cares about themselves. Just with Britain, there is going to be no military engagement or appointment because it is unwise for them to do so.

 

Please don't try to insult me, because it's quite clear you are the one who needs to read more.

[Low Bridd]

 

 

 

I like how Obama is letting congress decide even though he has the power to have the final say alone. Shows democracy. 

 

I think we should go in and stop it. US is the international police after all.

 

China and Russia won't do anything but try and persuade us to not go in and make us look like bad guys. 

what the fuck did i just read LOLOLOLOL

 

 

I didn't know people laugh at themselves for being illiterate. You learn something new everyday.

 

Ok, well you are obviously under educated on the matter with Syria. There was going to be intervention by the UN and the US which Russia did not want so they vitod and so there was that gone, so the US did indeed try to do something. Another thing you may not have known, Russia started hoarding naval forces in the Mediterranean Sea and so Obama was forced to retreat or decided to retreat as it would not have been worth it to intervene. US is not the international police, they just hold massive leverage over every other country since they are a hegemon also further by the fact they owe so much money no country would want to try and start conflict with the US. International Organisations such as the UN for peacekeeping and security and perhaps the World Bank for economic purposes are perhaps the closest forms of a global governance that we have today. China only cares about themselves. Just with Britain, there is going to be no military engagement or appointment because it is unwise for them to do so.

 

Please don't try to insult me, because it's quite clear you are the one who needs to read more.

 

 

First of all I didn't say you need to read more. I said you are unable to read.

 

First Bold : Yes.. I didn't say the US didn't try to do something? 

 

Second Bold : Russia is sending an aircraft carrier to Moscow's small naval base in Syria http://thediplomat.com/the-editor/2013/09/04/russias-aircraft-carrier-to-visit-syrian-naval-base/

 

Third Bold : http://news.yahoo.com/sixth-u-ship-now-eastern-mediterranean-precaution-025721221.html Doesn't look like we've retreated to me, what's your source?

 

Fourth Bold : You saying they aren't the international police is clearly your opinion. I disagree and say we are.

 

Fifth Bold : China also veto'd so.. nah

 

Sixth Bold : Fuck off, you insult me I insult you.

[Wrecka]

 

 

 

 

I like how Obama is letting congress decide even though he has the power to have the final say alone. Shows democracy. 

 

I think we should go in and stop it. US is the international police after all.

 

China and Russia won't do anything but try and persuade us to not go in and make us look like bad guys. 

what the fuck did i just read LOLOLOLOL

 

 

I didn't know people laugh at themselves for being illiterate. You learn something new everyday.

 

Ok, well you are obviously under educated on the matter with Syria. There was going to be intervention by the UN and the US which Russia did not want so they vitod and so there was that gone, so the US did indeed try to do something. Another thing you may not have known, Russia started hoarding naval forces in the Mediterranean Sea and so Obama was forced to retreat or decided to retreat as it would not have been worth it to intervene. US is not the international police, they just hold massive leverage over every other country since they are a hegemon also further by the fact they owe so much money no country would want to try and start conflict with the US. International Organisations such as the UN for peacekeeping and security and perhaps the World Bank for economic purposes are perhaps the closest forms of a global governance that we have today. China only cares about themselves. Just with Britain, there is going to be no military engagement or appointment because it is unwise for them to do so.

 

Please don't try to insult me, because it's quite clear you are the one who needs to read more.

 

 

First of all I didn't say you need to read more. I said you are unable to read.

 

First Bold : Yes.. I didn't say the US didn't try to do something? 

 

Second Bold : Russia is sending an aircraft carrier to Moscow's small naval base in Syria http://thediplomat.com/the-editor/2013/09/04/russias-aircraft-carrier-to-visit-syrian-naval-base/

 

Third Bold : http://news.yahoo.com/sixth-u-ship-now-eastern-mediterranean-precaution-025721221.html Doesn't look like we've retreated to me, what's your source?

 

Fourth Bold : You saying they aren't the international police is clearly your opinion. I disagree and say we are.

 

Fifth Bold : China also veto'd so.. nah

 

Sixth Bold : Fuck off, you insult me I insult you.

 

Well said brother. You & Tauntz pretty much summed everything up. Didn't Putin say he would okay an attack/possibly join in on Syria if UN confirmed chemical weapons were used by Assad? 

 

We didn't back out either lol.. Russia deployed like one destroyer and carrier but said it was routine or something like that. They won't attack the US. China only cares about theirselves & has huge economic ties with US. They won't risk that for fucking Syria..

 

US will send some drones hit up some high priority ammo/weapon depots and be out if anything.

[Chase]

 

 

 

 

I like how Obama is letting congress decide even though he has the power to have the final say alone. Shows democracy. 

 

I think we should go in and stop it. US is the international police after all.

 

China and Russia won't do anything but try and persuade us to not go in and make us look like bad guys. 

what the fuck did i just read LOLOLOLOL

 

 

I didn't know people laugh at themselves for being illiterate. You learn something new everyday.

 

Ok, well you are obviously under educated on the matter with Syria. There was going to be intervention by the UN and the US which Russia did not want so they vitod and so there was that gone, so the US did indeed try to do something. Another thing you may not have known, Russia started hoarding naval forces in the Mediterranean Sea and so Obama was forced to retreat or decided to retreat as it would not have been worth it to intervene. US is not the international police, they just hold massive leverage over every other country since they are a hegemon also further by the fact they owe so much money no country would want to try and start conflict with the US. International Organisations such as the UN for peacekeeping and security and perhaps the World Bank for economic purposes are perhaps the closest forms of a global governance that we have today. China only cares about themselves. Just with Britain, there is going to be no military engagement or appointment because it is unwise for them to do so.

 

Please don't try to insult me, because it's quite clear you are the one who needs to read more.

 

 

First of all I didn't say you need to read more. I said you are unable to read.

 

First Bold : Yes.. I didn't say the US didn't try to do something? 

 

Second Bold : Russia is sending an aircraft carrier to Moscow's small naval base in Syria http://thediplomat.com/the-editor/2013/09/04/russias-aircraft-carrier-to-visit-syrian-naval-base/

 

Third Bold : http://news.yahoo.com/sixth-u-ship-now-eastern-mediterranean-precaution-025721221.html Doesn't look like we've retreated to me, what's your source?

 

Fourth Bold : You saying they aren't the international police is clearly your opinion. I disagree and say we are.

 

Fifth Bold : China also veto'd so.. nah

 

Sixth Bold : Fuck off, you insult me I insult you.

 

^ We are the " Police of the world" theres really no debate about it. 

[Nilo]

http://topinfopost.com/2013/09/07/breaking-news-putin-russia-will-help-syria-in-case-of-foreign-military-assault?fb_source=pubv1

 

Putin: Russia will help Syria in case of foreign military assault

CYA USA