It’s time to declare ‘war’’ on Russia

[Akahana]

http://globalnews.ca/news/1464423/its-time-to-declare-war-on-russia-says-edmonton-mp/

EDMONTON – Peter Goldring, Member of Parliament for Edmonton East, has released his Ukraine Mission Report after spending 30 days in the country in May.

Goldring was in Ukraine for the entire Orange Revolution in 2004, has travelled there several times since.

On Monday he said it is time for nations to declare “total Economic War on Russia.”

In a news release, he states that “nations of the free world” must unite against totalitarian regimes, terrorism, subterfuge, deceit and Russia’s Vladimir Putin.

RELATED STORIES

• Canada to slap more sanctions against Russia over downed plane
• New report questions Canada’s Ukraine election-monitoring missions
• Peter Goldring in the Ukraine
• Russia lays out case for intervention in Ukraine before United Nations Security Council

Goldring took part in the mission to assess the Ukrainian election on May 25. During that time he analyzed minority discrimination, religion’s role in politics, and whether residents of the newly annexed Crimea were willing and able to vote.

In his report, he noted that Russia made voting in the region extremely problematic. He said armoured troops carried Russian soldiers throughout the area in an “organized campaign of intimidation.”

Goldring believes, by taking action against Russia, Canada can lead by example, decide “who we will engage economically and who we will not”, and encourage other nations to do the same.

READ MORE: Canada to slap more sanctions against Russia over downed plane 

His list of recommendations includes:

1. Expel Russia from the United Nations Security Council
2. Expel Russia from Organization for Cooperation and Security of Europe
3. Expel Russia from G8
4. Establish a Kyiv Patriarch for the Ukrainian Orthodox Church presently with Moscow Patriarch under Russia Putin influence

Goldring believes economic warfare is the first step in stopping Putin and his totalitarian regime.

WATCH: Edmonton MP Peter Goldring speaks to Global News following a trip to Ukraine. 

“Quite frankly, Ukraine is a very important part of Canadian fabric and life,” Goldring said during an interview with Global News on Dec. 12. “There are 1.2 million people of Ukraine background in Canada.”

“[ukraine] is strategically located in an area in eastern Europe. If they can be empowered to be on their own, they could be quite a country. But being brow-beaten by Moscow is not serving that purpose.”

The full Ukraine Mission Report was released June 24.

A new internal government report has once again raised questions about the Harper government’s penchant for sending large teams of Canadian election monitors to Ukraine.

The March report, prepared by an outside consultant for the Foreign Affairs Department, is the latest in a series of internal government assessments that raise red flags about the missions. The reports began in 2004 under the Liberals and have been repeatedly embraced by the Conservatives, most recently in May.

READ MORE: New report questions Canada’s Ukraine election-monitoring missions 

The Canadian Press obtained a copy of the independent audit of Canada’s Election Observation Missions program, known as EOM, which notes that the multilateral OSCE missions are widely viewed as a much better idea than the Canadian bilateral ones.

The consultants, Plan:Net Limited, presented the Foreign Affairs Department with its 195-page report on March 20.

With files from The Canadian Press

[Avenge]

rip putin

cya Russia

[Havoc]

+1

[Legacy swat]

 to declare “total Economic War on Russia.”

 

ah ok thats what it means

[Akahana]

 to declare “total Economic War on Russia.”

 

ah ok thats what it means

could escalate 

[Chirpp]

russia is a self sustaining country who pulled out of the U.N. months ago, to do anything in the way of war towards them would be disastrous for the entire world.

[Egnar]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organisation

Russia is allied with the #1 economic superpower in the world. 

 

Now lets take a look at Chinas growing military supremacy.

http://warontherocks.com/2014/07/chinas-most-dangerous-missile-so-far/

China has an anti aircraft carrier missile that has a radius 3x the size of the US's strongest missile. I think it's safe to say that the US can no longer assume naval supremacy considering Chinese stealth submarines surfaced during a Navy Military exercise and were well within attack range.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492804/The-uninvited-guest-Chinese-sub-pops-middle-U-S-Navy-exercise-leaving-military-chiefs-red-faced.html

 

Our advantage is that China's economy is dependent on our economy but we can't do shit about it. We can embargo China which would destroy both of us in a matter of weeks. If we embargo China they will demand their $1.3T back, which we can't pay. If the US can't pay it's debt then the rest of the world won't take the US dollar seriously, crushing both the Chinese and US economy. Also if we straight up embargo China it might cause WW3.

 

Until the US pays back its debts and moves our forces back home from the rest of the world (especially the middle east), we can't go back into isolation and be a self sustaining country like we used to be. 

 

Basically Russia is untouchable by the US as long as they are allies with China due to our economic dependencies on each other.

[Dizzy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organisation

Russia is allied with the #1 economic superpower in the world. 

 

Now lets take a look at Chinas growing military supremacy.

http://warontherocks.com/2014/07/chinas-most-dangerous-missile-so-far/

China has an anti aircraft carrier missile that has a radius 3x the size of the US's strongest missile. I think it's safe to say that the US can no longer assume naval supremacy considering Chinese stealth submarines surfaced during a Navy Military exercise and were well within attack range.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492804/The-uninvited-guest-Chinese-sub-pops-middle-U-S-Navy-exercise-leaving-military-chiefs-red-faced.html

 

Our advantage is that China's economy is dependent on our economy but we can't do shit about it. We can embargo China which would destroy both of us in a matter of weeks. If we embargo China they will demand their $1.3T back, which we can't pay. If the US can't pay it's debt then the rest of the world won't take the US dollar seriously, crushing both the Chinese and US economy. Also if we straight up embargo China it might cause WW3.

 

Until the US pays back its debts and moves our forces back home from the rest of the world (especially the middle east), we can't go back into isolation and be a self sustaining country like we used to be. 

 

Basically Russia is untouchable by the US as long as they are allies with China due to our economic dependencies on each other.

pretty much this

[A Combo]

 to declare “total Economic War on Russia.”

 

ah ok thats what it means

ikr retard topic name lol

[Mahfia]

we dont really need ANOTHER win to our history books 

[vult]

i prefer russia over usa

[Akahana]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organisation

Russia is allied with the #1 economic superpower in the world. 

 

Now lets take a look at Chinas growing military supremacy.

http://warontherocks.com/2014/07/chinas-most-dangerous-missile-so-far/

China has an anti aircraft carrier missile that has a radius 3x the size of the US's strongest missile. I think it's safe to say that the US can no longer assume naval supremacy considering Chinese stealth submarines surfaced during a Navy Military exercise and were well within attack range.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492804/The-uninvited-guest-Chinese-sub-pops-middle-U-S-Navy-exercise-leaving-military-chiefs-red-faced.html

 

Our advantage is that China's economy is dependent on our economy but we can't do shit about it. We can embargo China which would destroy both of us in a matter of weeks. If we embargo China they will demand their $1.3T back, which we can't pay. If the US can't pay it's debt then the rest of the world won't take the US dollar seriously, crushing both the Chinese and US economy. Also if we straight up embargo China it might cause WW3.

 

Until the US pays back its debts and moves our forces back home from the rest of the world (especially the middle east), we can't go back into isolation and be a self sustaining country like we used to be. 

 

Basically Russia is untouchable by the US as long as they are allies with China due to our economic dependencies on each other.

thanks for an intelligent response, considering you are American, you aren't biased towards your country.

 

that missile report is buried 40 pages, not even acknowledged.

 

china managed to build an entire city in 5-10 years, makes you think what else are they capable of of building 

 

[Akahana]

 

 to declare “total Economic War on Russia.”

 

ah ok thats what it means

ikr retard topic name lol

 

to bad ur retarded enough to not realize that the articles title.

[Akahana]

we dont really need ANOTHER win to our history books 

canada beat you in 1812 tho. 

[Callum]

freedom!

[Egnar]

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organisation

Russia is allied with the #1 economic superpower in the world. 

 

Now lets take a look at Chinas growing military supremacy.

http://warontherocks.com/2014/07/chinas-most-dangerous-missile-so-far/

China has an anti aircraft carrier missile that has a radius 3x the size of the US's strongest missile. I think it's safe to say that the US can no longer assume naval supremacy considering Chinese stealth submarines surfaced during a Navy Military exercise and were well within attack range.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492804/The-uninvited-guest-Chinese-sub-pops-middle-U-S-Navy-exercise-leaving-military-chiefs-red-faced.html

 

Our advantage is that China's economy is dependent on our economy but we can't do shit about it. We can embargo China which would destroy both of us in a matter of weeks. If we embargo China they will demand their $1.3T back, which we can't pay. If the US can't pay it's debt then the rest of the world won't take the US dollar seriously, crushing both the Chinese and US economy. Also if we straight up embargo China it might cause WW3.

 

Until the US pays back its debts and moves our forces back home from the rest of the world (especially the middle east), we can't go back into isolation and be a self sustaining country like we used to be. 

 

Basically Russia is untouchable by the US as long as they are allies with China due to our economic dependencies on each other.

thanks for an intelligent response, considering you are American, you aren't biased towards your country.

 

that missile report is buried 40 pages, not even acknowledged.

 

china managed to build an entire city in 5-10 years, makes you think what else are they capable of of building 

 

 

It's amazing how Beijing looks today compared to 20-30 years ago. Mostly done with US $$.

[Low Bridd]

i prefer russia over usa

I'm going to burn you on stakes that spell out Fuck You

Edited July 22, 2014 by Trev|Low Bridd

[TJ]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organisation

Russia is allied with the #1 economic superpower in the world.

Now lets take a look at Chinas growing military supremacy.

http://warontherocks.com/2014/07/chinas-most-dangerous-missile-so-far/

China has an anti aircraft carrier missile that has a radius 3x the size of the US's strongest missile. I think it's safe to say that the US can no longer assume naval supremacy considering Chinese stealth submarines surfaced during a Navy Military exercise and were well within attack range.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492804/The-uninvited-guest-Chinese-sub-pops-middle-U-S-Navy-exercise-leaving-military-chiefs-red-faced.html

Our advantage is that China's economy is dependent on our economy but we can't do shit about it. We can embargo China which would destroy both of us in a matter of weeks. If we embargo China they will demand their $1.3T back, which we can't pay. If the US can't pay it's debt then the rest of the world won't take the US dollar seriously, crushing both the Chinese and US economy. Also if we straight up embargo China it might cause WW3.

Until the US pays back its debts and moves our forces back home from the rest of the world (especially the middle east), we can't go back into isolation and be a self sustaining country like we used to be.

Basically Russia is untouchable by the US as long as they are allies with China due to our economic dependencies on each other.

thanks for an intelligent response, considering you are American, you aren't biased towards your country.

that missile report is buried 40 pages, not even acknowledged.

china managed to build an entire city in 5-10 years, makes you think what else are they capable of of building

It's amazing how Beijing looks today compared to 20-30 years ago. Mostly done with US $$.

imagine if America was actually wealthy...

[Akahana]

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organisation

Russia is allied with the #1 economic superpower in the world. 

 

Now lets take a look at Chinas growing military supremacy.

http://warontherocks.com/2014/07/chinas-most-dangerous-missile-so-far/

China has an anti aircraft carrier missile that has a radius 3x the size of the US's strongest missile. I think it's safe to say that the US can no longer assume naval supremacy considering Chinese stealth submarines surfaced during a Navy Military exercise and were well within attack range.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492804/The-uninvited-guest-Chinese-sub-pops-middle-U-S-Navy-exercise-leaving-military-chiefs-red-faced.html

 

Our advantage is that China's economy is dependent on our economy but we can't do shit about it. We can embargo China which would destroy both of us in a matter of weeks. If we embargo China they will demand their $1.3T back, which we can't pay. If the US can't pay it's debt then the rest of the world won't take the US dollar seriously, crushing both the Chinese and US economy. Also if we straight up embargo China it might cause WW3.

 

Until the US pays back its debts and moves our forces back home from the rest of the world (especially the middle east), we can't go back into isolation and be a self sustaining country like we used to be. 

 

Basically Russia is untouchable by the US as long as they are allies with China due to our economic dependencies on each other.

thanks for an intelligent response, considering you are American, you aren't biased towards your country.

 

that missile report is buried 40 pages, not even acknowledged.

 

china managed to build an entire city in 5-10 years, makes you think what else are they capable of of building 

 

 

It's amazing how Beijing looks today compared to 20-30 years ago. Mostly done with US $$.

 

i watched  a documentary of 

How China Fooled the World

was really interesting.  

[Egnar]

 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organisation

Russia is allied with the #1 economic superpower in the world.

Now lets take a look at Chinas growing military supremacy.

http://warontherocks.com/2014/07/chinas-most-dangerous-missile-so-far/

China has an anti aircraft carrier missile that has a radius 3x the size of the US's strongest missile. I think it's safe to say that the US can no longer assume naval supremacy considering Chinese stealth submarines surfaced during a Navy Military exercise and were well within attack range.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492804/The-uninvited-guest-Chinese-sub-pops-middle-U-S-Navy-exercise-leaving-military-chiefs-red-faced.html

Our advantage is that China's economy is dependent on our economy but we can't do shit about it. We can embargo China which would destroy both of us in a matter of weeks. If we embargo China they will demand their $1.3T back, which we can't pay. If the US can't pay it's debt then the rest of the world won't take the US dollar seriously, crushing both the Chinese and US economy. Also if we straight up embargo China it might cause WW3.

Until the US pays back its debts and moves our forces back home from the rest of the world (especially the middle east), we can't go back into isolation and be a self sustaining country like we used to be.

Basically Russia is untouchable by the US as long as they are allies with China due to our economic dependencies on each other.

thanks for an intelligent response, considering you are American, you aren't biased towards your country.

that missile report is buried 40 pages, not even acknowledged.

china managed to build an entire city in 5-10 years, makes you think what else are they capable of of building

It's amazing how Beijing looks today compared to 20-30 years ago. Mostly done with US $$.

imagine if America was actually wealthy...

 

1. Legalize Marijuana (hemp)

2. Convince the world that global warming is a real and serious threat 

3. Abuse the vast US farmland to grow hemp as a fuel source http://dailynexus.com/2011-04-18/hemp-potentially-replace-reliance-fossil-fuels/

4. Sell hemp to the rest of the world as a clean energy source

5. The world no longer relies on Middle Eastern oil so we can bring Peace Keeping soldiers home, lowering our military budget by a ton

6. Use new hemp $$ on Education, Welfare, Healthcare, and reconstruction of cities (hopefully LA)

 

EDIT:

7. Pay back debts

Edited July 22, 2014 by Egnar

[Akahana]

 

 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organisation

Russia is allied with the #1 economic superpower in the world.

Now lets take a look at Chinas growing military supremacy.

http://warontherocks.com/2014/07/chinas-most-dangerous-missile-so-far/

China has an anti aircraft carrier missile that has a radius 3x the size of the US's strongest missile. I think it's safe to say that the US can no longer assume naval supremacy considering Chinese stealth submarines surfaced during a Navy Military exercise and were well within attack range.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492804/The-uninvited-guest-Chinese-sub-pops-middle-U-S-Navy-exercise-leaving-military-chiefs-red-faced.html

Our advantage is that China's economy is dependent on our economy but we can't do shit about it. We can embargo China which would destroy both of us in a matter of weeks. If we embargo China they will demand their $1.3T back, which we can't pay. If the US can't pay it's debt then the rest of the world won't take the US dollar seriously, crushing both the Chinese and US economy. Also if we straight up embargo China it might cause WW3.

Until the US pays back its debts and moves our forces back home from the rest of the world (especially the middle east), we can't go back into isolation and be a self sustaining country like we used to be.

Basically Russia is untouchable by the US as long as they are allies with China due to our economic dependencies on each other.

thanks for an intelligent response, considering you are American, you aren't biased towards your country.

that missile report is buried 40 pages, not even acknowledged.

china managed to build an entire city in 5-10 years, makes you think what else are they capable of of building

It's amazing how Beijing looks today compared to 20-30 years ago. Mostly done with US $$.

imagine if America was actually wealthy...

 

1. Legalize Marijuana (hemp)

2. Convince the world that global warming is a real and serious threat

3. Abuse the vast US farmland to grow hemp as a fuel source http://dailynexus.com/2011-04-18/hemp-potentially-replace-reliance-fossil-fuels/

4. Sell hemp to the rest of the world 

5. No longer rely on Middle Eastern oil and bring Peace Keeping soldiers home, lowering our military budget by a ton

6. Use new hemp $$ on Education, Welfare, Healthcare, and reconstruction of cities (hopefully LA)

 

very solid points. 

 

 

solar panel fields too

[Egnar]

@@Akahana Quote list got too long

 

Edited the steps a bit

1. Legalize Marijuana (hemp)

2. Convince the world that global warming is a real and serious threat 

3. Abuse the vast US farmland to grow hemp as a fuel source http://dailynexus.co...e-fossil-fuels/

4. Sell hemp to the rest of the world as a clean energy source

5. The world no longer relies on Middle Eastern oil so we can bring Peace Keeping soldiers home, lowering our military budget by a ton

6. Use new hemp $$ on Education, Welfare, Healthcare, and reconstruction of cities (hopefully LA)

7. Pay back debts

 

Convincing the world that global warming is real is huge because there needs to be a reason to buy our hemp. Doesn't matter if it is real or not tbh, and if it is then yay we saved the world :D If not then w/e were still rich :D

[Sensat1ons]

http://globalnews.ca/news/1464423/its-time-to-declare-war-on-russia-says-edmonton-mp/

EDMONTON – Peter Goldring, Member of Parliament for Edmonton East, has released his Ukraine Mission Report after spending 30 days in the country in May.

Goldring was in Ukraine for the entire Orange Revolution in 2004, has travelled there several times since.

On Monday he said it is time for nations to declare “total Economic War on Russia.”

In a news release, he states that “nations of the free world” must unite against totalitarian regimes, terrorism, subterfuge, deceit and Russia’s Vladimir Putin.

RELATED STORIES

• Canada to slap more sanctions against Russia over downed plane
• New report questions Canada’s Ukraine election-monitoring missions
• Peter Goldring in the Ukraine
• Russia lays out case for intervention in Ukraine before United Nations Security Council

Goldring took part in the mission to assess the Ukrainian election on May 25. During that time he analyzed minority discrimination, religion’s role in politics, and whether residents of the newly annexed Crimea were willing and able to vote.

In his report, he noted that Russia made voting in the region extremely problematic. He said armoured troops carried Russian soldiers throughout the area in an “organized campaign of intimidation.”

Goldring believes, by taking action against Russia, Canada can lead by example, decide “who we will engage economically and who we will not”, and encourage other nations to do the same.

READ MORE: Canada to slap more sanctions against Russia over downed plane 

His list of recommendations includes:

1. Expel Russia from the United Nations Security Council
2. Expel Russia from Organization for Cooperation and Security of Europe
3. Expel Russia from G8
4. Establish a Kyiv Patriarch for the Ukrainian Orthodox Church presently with Moscow Patriarch under Russia Putin influence

Goldring believes economic warfare is the first step in stopping Putin and his totalitarian regime.

WATCH: Edmonton MP Peter Goldring speaks to Global News following a trip to Ukraine. 

“Quite frankly, Ukraine is a very important part of Canadian fabric and life,” Goldring said during an interview with Global News on Dec. 12. “There are 1.2 million people of Ukraine background in Canada.”

“[ukraine] is strategically located in an area in eastern Europe. If they can be empowered to be on their own, they could be quite a country. But being brow-beaten by Moscow is not serving that purpose.”

The full Ukraine Mission Report was released June 24.

A new internal government report has once again raised questions about the Harper government’s penchant for sending large teams of Canadian election monitors to Ukraine.

The March report, prepared by an outside consultant for the Foreign Affairs Department, is the latest in a series of internal government assessments that raise red flags about the missions. The reports began in 2004 under the Liberals and have been repeatedly embraced by the Conservatives, most recently in May.

READ MORE: New report questions Canada’s Ukraine election-monitoring missions 

The Canadian Press obtained a copy of the independent audit of Canada’s Election Observation Missions program, known as EOM, which notes that the multilateral OSCE missions are widely viewed as a much better idea than the Canadian bilateral ones.

The consultants, Plan:Net Limited, presented the Foreign Affairs Department with its 195-page report on March 20.

With files from The Canadian Press

 

American's always wanting to start shit...  if not iraq,afghanistan, egypt,lybia I think you get the deal so I dont think the U.S should put there noses where it shouldnt be put

[Akahana]

 

@@Akahana Quote list got too long

 

Edited the steps a bit

1. Legalize Marijuana (hemp)

2. Convince the world that global warming is a real and serious threat 

3. Abuse the vast US farmland to grow hemp as a fuel source http://dailynexus.co...e-fossil-fuels/

4. Sell hemp to the rest of the world as a clean energy source

5. The world no longer relies on Middle Eastern oil so we can bring Peace Keeping soldiers home, lowering our military budget by a ton

6. Use new hemp $$ on Education, Welfare, Healthcare, and reconstruction of cities (hopefully LA)

7. Pay back debts

 

Convincing the world that global warming is real is huge because there needs to be a reason to buy our hemp. Doesn't matter if it is real or not tbh, and if it is then yay we saved the world :D If not then w/e were still rich :D

 

i like your ideas, i couldn't add anything else other than

unlimited power source. which has been proven 100 years ago. 

[Its zeh noob]

 

@@Akahana Quote list got too long

 

Edited the steps a bit

1. Legalize Marijuana (hemp)

2. Convince the world that global warming is a real and serious threat 

3. Abuse the vast US farmland to grow hemp as a fuel source http://dailynexus.co...e-fossil-fuels/

4. Sell hemp to the rest of the world as a clean energy source

5. The world no longer relies on Middle Eastern oil so we can bring Peace Keeping soldiers home, lowering our military budget by a ton

6. Use new hemp $$ on Education, Welfare, Healthcare, and reconstruction of cities (hopefully LA)

7. Pay back debts

 

Convincing the world that global warming is real is huge because there needs to be a reason to buy our hemp. Doesn't matter if it is real or not tbh, and if it is then yay we saved the world :D If not then w/e were still rich :D

 

My 2 cents on that matter:

 

1. Male hemp plants barely produce THC, you don't really need to legalise marijuana, just hemp (it's legal in NL).

2. World is already convinced of global warming. 

3. I'm a bit sceptical about the numbers in the article.

4. Once a country will produce marijuana (THC) and sell it, many will follow, reducing the price.

5. Gas/oil would probably still be cheaper.

6. See point 4.

7. ^

 

On topic:

 

No.